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Weekend leftovers: How a press release typo became a huge issue

August 19th, 2008, 7:03 am by madisontaylor

typo in press releaseA story over the weekend — actually what we refer to as a brief — burned a lot of energy not only for our weekend reporter but readers online and law enforcement agencies from here to Randolph County.

It began with a brief in the Greensboro News & Record concerning a Seagrove resident — who turned out to be a Hispanic man that may or may not be in the country legally — arrested on charges connected to drugs and stolen guns.

The stolen guns turned out to be the key point.

The News & Record item, which was published on Saturday, mentioned that guns in the man’s possession were stolen from the Burlington Police Department. The News & Record reported the matter from a press release issued by the Randolph County Sheriff’s Office. The Times-News didn’t have the story Saturday because we’re not on the Randolph County office’s mailing list.

Readers who got wind of the News & Record story logically had lots of questions. After all, guns stolen from a police department would constitute a major deal no matter the immigration status of the person involved. When were the guns stolen, how and most especially when and why was the public not informed?

The answers turned out to be simple. The story was incorrect. But we wouldn’t’ find that out until later.

Anyway, the story got quick traction on the Internet — as is the case these days.

Our reporter was called about the matter shortly after she arrived on Saturday afternoon by Alamance County Commissioner Tim Sutton — who called back a few times to check on our progress. He had attempted himself to call authorities in Randolph County without luck, which he thought was somewhat odd.

Welcome to our world on the weekend Tim. Lots of sheriff’s offices and small-town police departments make no provision for providing information to the public. “Call back Monday,” seems to be the company line. Our reporter hit the same dead end. Alamance County and Burlington are better than most in this regard.

When our reporter called Burlington police on Saturday the staff sergeant on duty said he had heard nothing about stolen guns related to his department and checked it out. By 8 p.m. he found that the case involved guns stolen from a pawn shop on Webb Avenue last year but not from Burlington police. We put up a correct story shortly thereafter.

Our reporter did contact Randolph County authorities on Monday and they admitted that the press release sent to the Greensboro and Asheboro newspapers contained a typo concerning the guns and their origin.

The moral of this story is obvious. But in the new age in which information is posted quickly for a ravenous online audience it’s not likely to take.

Another example occurred over this same weekend. An accident on N.C. 49 was reported over the scanner close to 10 p.m. We took some information from the scanner report and posted it online — but put nothing about it at all in the print edition. The scanner reported at first that the driver had left the scene so that’s what was posted online. Commenters on our Web site had lots to say about it.

When the whole story was reported the next day we found the driver was not missing but deceased and updated our online version. Many online posters felt remorse that they had jumped to a conclusion based upon our original report. Some felt we should take down their original posts.

The morals are again obvious. The rush to publish and the rush to judgment need scrutiny. But in this new age …

The Great Debate, Part XXXVI …

July 23rd, 2008, 7:30 am by madisontaylor

A newspaper editor and now publisher of long acquaintance sent out a message last night that included this column “Why newspapers shouldn’t allow comments.” The e-mail was slugged The Great Comments Debate.”

Thought I’d share it for consumption in relation to our current discussion on this forum. Here’s what Rick wrote in his e-mail to a passle of editors.

“Makes for interesting reading in the ongoing debate on whether newspapers should allow reader comments.

“For added fun read the column then read the reader comments below the column. There’s an irony all its own.”

Yes it is.

The E-mailbag: One if by land, two if by …

July 22nd, 2008, 10:15 am by madisontaylor

Silence

Got this message via a third party who tied it to the talons of a carrier pigeon which I was then directed to meet at the City Park train depot where it then deposited a microchip by the pink donkey that I could only open after lowering the Cone of Silence and alerting the ordnance disposal team from Fort Bragg. I’m assuming it’s from the online poster mentioned in my “Managing the ‘Bully’ Pulpit post — Zanconda, the artist previously known as Amazed.

Here it is.

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“I read with great interest Madison’s pompous ed/comment about “Ernest T. Bass” posters. I get a little sick of this pious attitude by him and the whiners. It is pretty evident that he has not read all the posts by all the people or he would see the same things that many who post agree with me on in these crybaby posters that complain to him have their own highly defined lack of respect for others opinions. I liken them to the Republican Party which for decades now has said just about anything they wanted in derogatory fashion about anyone who didn’t agree with them. In example, do you remember that Douche Dimbulb Rush Limbaugh calling Chelsea Clinton the family dog when she was every bit of 12 years old. Could you imagine the uproar if someone in mainstream media had called Bushes daughters underage alcoholic whores. Same principle applies. If you don’t want mud slung at you don’t sling your mud — no matter how clean or respectable you might think it is others will see it as mud. So next time Madison do yourself a favor and read all the posts from all sides and don’t just listen to the whiners or pretty soon you will be regarded as another slanted self-righteous whiner yourself.” 

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Thanks to Zanconda for passing this along.

My only responses are these:

1. Since when is it pious or pompous to advocate good manners, respect for others and intelligent debate?

2. I did read the other posts and yours were far more mean-spirited.  The ones that were blocked were too crude for publication.

3. Is this the same poster who once made a nasty comment about a high school girl in a Times-News story that was so scurrilous I had it removed?

4. I’d think you would have better role models than Rush Limbaugh … just kidding. I have no explanation about why Limbaugh is on the air except to say he’s not welcome in my house and I don’t listen to radio stations that carry his program. That kind of name-calling has no place in the communications business no matter which side of the political spectrum you come from.

5. By the way, Limbaugh used to have a TV show but it was quickly taken off the air because of his commentary. He found his market on AM radio. That says a lot.

6. All I want is for posters to live up to the agreement they signed when they joined Community Voice or to heed the note that accompanies our stories. Otherwise write clearly, make good arguments, debate fiercely, show some respect .. in short, be adults.

Is that too difficult?

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Here’s a letter I received from Karen Mebane about our Web site and the online comments. She shipped it as a letter to the editor of the Times-News. But because most of our print readers don’t use our Web site, I’m posting it here instead. Thanks again to Ms. Mebane.

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Dear Editor,

I very much like your Times News website and the online edition of the paper there. I also like the reader forums and the discussions. You have the Community Voice section with which readers can create an online identity and post to the forums, express comments and even upload photos and videos. All of this is indicative of how varied newspapers must become in order to compete with the flood of information and news that is already on the internet.

However, your forums do present a concern for me. Most people create an identity and simply post their thoughts and pictures. But as with most things, there is always that odd duck who wants to make other people who post uncomfortable. Perhaps you and your readers have noticed this on the two reader forums, “I Am Harry” and “Talk Line-Apalooza.”

It’s quite easy for me to ignore derogatory comments on the forum when they come from an anonymous source simply because I do not take it personally. But I do feel that it might be a bit off-putting to someone new to commenting in an online discussion. I noticed that your newspaper does have measures in place to remove offensive material. Nonetheless, in my opinion, the vitriol exchanged between the I Am Harry and Talk Line-Apalooza discussions are a bit hard to digest.

Perhaps as more people become aware of the potential for community discussion on your website, varied opinions from more than just the usual who post might expose the senselessness of the written conflict mentioned. For example, I think groups like law enforcement gang control, Community Watch or the D.A.R.E. organization might benefit from creating a discussion there for community feedback. Perhaps the mayor’s office or the city council could create a discussion to evaluate community concerns and interests. The same could be done for the school system. The list of opportunities for community input on the website is endless. Of course, most of these groups already have lines of community input but every avenue can help us all get to the destination of understanding ourselves.

Karen Mebane

Cleaning up the ‘bully’ pulpit

July 18th, 2008, 7:59 am by madisontaylor

bully bully bullyShould TheTimesNews.com ban unrepentant, unsavory or otherwise unconscionable commenters from further posting on our Web site?

It pains me to even ask such a question. After all, I fundamentally believe that speech should be protected at nearly any cost. It is, most can recite, one of the basic freedoms outlined by the framers of this nation. But what lots of people who cite the amendment fail to mention is that free speech also carries responsibilities. In addition, free speech shouldn’t trample upon the free speech of others.

That’s where our online and print divisions at the Times-News are right now with a handful — and I mean only a handful — of name-calling and crude posters who inhabit the comment function contained on stories posted by the newspaper online. This tiny faction often drives discussion away from the topic at hand, delves into personal attacks against other posters when they have nothing else to offer in terms of legitimate comment and halt what might otherwise be interesting and perhaps enlightened debate. And the comments violate the guidelines set forth when Community Voice was created earlier this year.

It's Ernest T.From my perspective these posters — who are all anonymous — have become an Ernest T. Bass kind of element. And while Ernest T. was a fictional and humorous character on the old “Andy Griffith Show,” nobody in their right minds would actually like to have a cackling rock-thrower in their neighborhoods.

At the moment we can block potentially abusive content and do so with a message to the poster. That has had little impact.  As a result there is serious discussion at the Times-News about what guidelines might be used to ban someone from posting on our comments sections and forums. We’ve asked for feedback from other interactive teams in our company as well. At the Times-News this is a group deal. There is no one editor of the Web site. Several areas supply content. Nothing is clearly cut in this new territory.

So I’d also like for readers to send along any comments they have at the end of this post.

Believe me when I say any ban would be an avenue of last resort. We welcome debate, commentary and criticism. Personal taunts and name-calling that harkens back to middle school recess as well as matters of racism or obscenity are matters for serious review.

The questions I ask are these:

Do abusive posters keep others from joining our forums?

What’s the potential damage to our site or other brands?

SeymourDid I get into this business in order to take on the role of Principal Skinner where I’m forced to monitor disputes not worthy of the playground monkeybars?

Here are some comments I received via e-mail on this topic. Please add your own.

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“Early on when you began the new format, I was delighted that you might actually censor some of the content which had devolved the previous edition of the forum into a cat fight and bully pulpit for the unsavory elements in our community. These folks were not commenting often on the content of the article under review, but were using it as a chatroom and a platform from which to launch very personal jabs at anyone with a differing opinion. Now it seems you have allowed this newer and improved format to stray down the same path.

 “From the onset of my first post … the barbs began to fly … I responded politely with a warning that such behavior would not be tolerated, and reported the comments as offensive. Apparently no action was taken by any “moderator”.

 “It was suggested later by another poster in a private communication that we should simply ignore the guy, and I complied. As I expected, that only drew more ire and personal insults, some of which were also subsequently reported as offensive content with no apparent action taken.

 “I have also had private communications from other readers and now ex-posters on the forum that they find this behavior intolerable and so no longer choose to be a part of the forum because of it. After all Madison, it DOES violate the very rules of the site, and intimidation does not breed open sharing of ideas.”

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Here’s another.

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“If one differs with his opinion and tries to introduce theirs, he attacks with name calling ridicule and debasement to say the least. I have tried in the past to not respond in kind, but I must say if one is backed into a corner, the fangs can come out.

“It has caused me to reduce my posts just to avoid the abuse. So it looks like the school yard bully has his own playground now.

“We have had some decent sparring in the past without incident and some agreements, but his demeanor is like one who is of a multiple personality and you never know when the demons will appear.

“I know you have no control over others personalities, but the off gassing of their mean temper and verbal attacks are keeping some people from participating. I have invited many people to join the conversation and have had response like “Why would I want to subject myself to such verbal assaults just to voice my opinion?” and “I have dealt with children all my life and some on here haven’t yet made it out of childhood”. 

“If you can, read some of his attacks that use name calling, slurred names meant only to make the other one mad. There is no substance in it and almost every time it draws folks off the subject. I guess it is his defense when he can’t adequately explain or defend his point and must draw others into something else where he feels comfortable, abuse!”

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Anybody else got an opinion?

The Monday e-mail blast …uh bag

June 23rd, 2008, 2:22 pm by madisontaylor

Big ol megaphone 

A riddle with no clear answer, yet 

When is a newspaper not a newspaper anymore? This was a question posed by John Harwood in a weekend e-mail. Mr. Harwood was questioning our decision to file a lawsuit against the city of Burlington concerning street solicitation — a law that will move our newspaper hawkers to the sidewalks — if we can find suitable or safe places to do. By twist of fate, our newspaper sales program started at sidewalks but the Times-News agreed to move them for safety reasons.

But Mr. Harwood also touched on issues I and many in the newspaper industry have written about over the past year — namely the future of newspapers as we all get smaller. He was also noting some editor’s notes and columns recently written by me concerning what, if any, features we might remove from the newspaper. At this writing, I still hope that none will need to be removed.

Here’s the note I got on Saturday from Mr. Harwood.

Dear Madison,

My wife and I were very relieved when the City Council made the decision to ban all solicitations.  I doubt you were in Burlington when they descended on the city from out of state in car and bus loads soliciting for non existent churches or religious organizations because they knew Burlington citizens were kind hearted and a soft touch.  They obstructed our view at busy intersections, they endangered themselves by walking in the road, they approached us in confrontational attitude, in a few rare instances they threatened some women of our city.  Restrictions were increased by the Council, still the police were unable to be everywhere and abuses continued.  I appreciate your concern for the loss of jobs of the few persons you employ from the Allied Churches Ministries.  I myself work on a monthly basis in the food kitchen of that ministry.  Still I think that If you were truly concerned with the loss of job of these needy persons you would help them find and obtain other employment, while at the same time respecting the welfare of the larger community.  I confess that this appears too much like the typical media arrogance displayed in attempting to construe the First Amendment freedom to mean freedom not to be challenged or inconvenienced.

 I find the timing of this interesting.  I enjoy taking my paper with a cup of coffee into my chair and reading it from cover to cover.  Sitting in front of a computer monitor does not provide the same tactile experience.  I believe a newspaper should provide me an overview of culture, that means having a variety of sections on a variety of areas.  Because of the economic plight of newspapers, you have been forced to reduce size, and now content of your paper, until I have begun to wonder when a newspaper is no longer a newspaper.  I suspect the impact of your decision to challenge the Council will be on your existence since circulation will most likely decrease.  I say this since it will influence our personal decision as to whether your shrinking paper is any longer worth the cost. Until recently we have been satisfied with your publication, especially your community interest.

John Harwood

This is what I wrote to Mr. Harwood in return.

Mr. Harwood,

    Thanks for writing. I agree with you on several points. The decision to pursue this further as you suspect is as much about preserving the newspaper as anything else. Ultimately we’re not just talking about the eight homeless people who hawk our product but likely full-time positions within our building that will likely go away when we lose 800 Sunday papers. Losing 800 Sunday papers — just based on advertising insert revenues alone — represents a loss of $50,000 or more annually.

     It saddens me what’s happened to newspapers — and it’s not only ours. Greensboro and Winston-Salem are only shells of their former selves and the Charlotte Observer looks a lot like the Times-News these days. The N&O has lost nearly 200 people in the past two months and is tumbling fast.

     We’re going to hold on as long as we can. The page size reduction didn’t hurt us much — in fact we even made a couple of improvements. Then our corporate bosses said we had to cut our page counts by 10 percent.

     I’m fighting to keep all we can in the paper. That’s why I ask for feedback from readers so I know what they want to see stay or go. Hearing from people like you really helps.

     We will continue to advance the cause of community news.

Thanks

Madison

This was his reply.

Madison, thank you for taking the time, from what must be a frantic, trying day, to respond, and respond in a courteous, straight forward way.  It helps me better appreciate  issue  and what you are up against.  I only wish you had the option to seek relief in some other way than federal lawsuit. As I indicated I fear that such legal action may backfire on you.  I would not like to lose the Times News, but when it becomes a non-paper or succumbs to financial pressure, I shall have no choice, shall I?  Sadly, in my opinion, if the newspaper disappears, yours included, we shall all be losers.

I agree with Mr. Harwood for reasons that go well beyond self-preservation. An active newspaper is a sign of a healthy and engaged community – something true of all media by the way. This is why it’s also a strong First Amendment issue.

Still, as I told Mr. Harwood, we hope to continue to produce lots of news of community interest with an increased emphasis on investigating the actions of those in leadership roles. We’ll continue to give our readers a print forum to sound off about local issues and we also hope to provide services those same readers expect.

Net gain or loss?

Doing so while we also continue to wrestle with a Web site is a whole other issue. I got this note on Sunday from Al Coates in reference to my column. Mr. Coates writes to me often and really detests the newspaper. That’s OK. But I don’t think he has a firm knowledge of how things work in our industry either.

Here’s what he wrote.

I read with interest your column this morning. How many hits on the hard copy do you think you get if you could put it in relative terms. The hard paper is it for your industry and if you keep messing with the net more than you mess with the hard copy you will surely loose. The paper is spending too much energy on what the so called worms look at and not enough time on the people who pay the subscriptions. Give people a quality paper and they will support it. As it is you have a cookie cutter that just does not do the job.

Oddly enough, our paper is hardly a cookie cutter as Mr. Coates suggests but our web site definitely is.

This what I wrote back.

  Mr. Coates. I wish I could agree with you. Papers all over the nation are losing subscriptions by the thousands and in fact ours is doing better than most. But lost subscriptions have more to do with changing times than quality of publication. As far as the Times-News goes, it’s a far better product today than it was when I got here a year ago in terms of local news production and coverage. This is even with our budget being cut to the bone. Tight budgets, not lack of attention by writers, editors and photographers, are also hurting newspapers.

 The thing you don’t understand is that the print edition is still our primary objective. The web actually comes second. The sad thing is we could add staff, pour more money in the product and spend no time online and the paper would improve only slightly but subscriptions wouldn’t go up one bit.

   Times are changing Mr. Coates and we’ll both be saddened by the future. Newspapers won’t last much longer but neither will local radio stations or perhaps even local TV stations. Lots of people these days get their music and talk via satellite radio. Many people watch their favorite TV shows online rather than on cable or network TV.

   The thing that will help all local outlets survive the longest will be attention to local subjects and issues. We’re getting better at this but still have a way to go. WBAG’s talk programming provides an excellent community service but none of the local stations in Burlington provide much in the way of news gathered by the stations themselves.

   Reporting, talk and chat at home are the keys to survival for local media. How long that will work, however, is anybody’s guess. If you check how few people actually vote for city council and county commission it’s revealing.

      Thanks for writing Mr. Coates. It’s always good to hear from you.

Madison

What is the meaning of this? 

 uppy downy On to other subjects. Got this note from Melissa Moorehead of Swepsonville about our weekly opinion page feature Ups and Downs.

Dear editor,

Since you continue to run an editorial feature called ups and downs, I can no longer restrain my curiosity.  What, exactly, is an up, and why would a thumb have one?  Or a down, for that matter?  I am embarrassed every time I share a snippet from that feature and am unable to answer the inevitable first question that the reader asks.

Thank you for your help!

I called and left a message for Ms. Moorehead. The derivation of Ups and Downs relates to the symbolic thumb up pointing to the sky to note something positive or good while the thumb pointing downward marks something unwanted or bad. The gestures date to the ancient Romans who used the symbol as a signal to determine whether someone lived or died during competitions. Over time it evolved into several meanings ranging from “all systems go” to “full speed ahead.” In our case it simply means “nicely done” or “stick a sock in it.”

Bottom feeding carp resurface

Got this a couple of weeks ago regarding our online commenting system. I’ll admit it’s not the best – but it does allow more comment than the old one did.

Here’s the note.

Looks like to me from all of your “carping” about freedom of the press (and by extension, freedom of expression) on street noosepaper sales that we have a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black, since we are now all Plucked together in an Orwellian blog that for the purpose of public discourse on issues is about as useless as tits on a porcupine. That little bit about “potential liability for libel” is about the most transparent and disingenuous red herring that I’ve seen come down the pike in quite a while.

Bottom Feeding Carp I

I can’t take any credit for the note warning about libel but I would tell those who post there that should they go out of bounds they could face legal trouble from those they write about. I’ll also say that our newest commenting system allows more freedom than the other — but I wouldn’t brag about either.

Part of the job … but that’s don’t help none

And in another online matter I got this note a couple of weeks back.

I am a wife of a man who has been charged with a crime. I have been devastated and humiliated by my husband, the sheriff’s department and now your news paper.

My heart is broken by my husband, for the mistake he made. I have no idea if my marriage will make it though this. I am not sure he can recover from this.

My quiet little home was invaded by the sheriff’s department.  Try coming home early from work only to find 3 police cars in your driveway.  It eventually grew to 6 cars in MY driveway. Not my husbands driveway, but mine.

And in disgust, today I see “Breaking News” on your website. Why? I ask. You don’t know our situation. You don’t know if he is guilty. You think nothing of his family and wife and children? We would have been alright.  We would have been able to ignore the neighbors’ questions.  We could have answered the questions of those whom we are close. But do you really think we will be able to ignore everything and everyone? What about the people we work with? Guess you’ve never had to ignore evil gossip at work.  The malicious rumors that are ten times worse than reality?  But let’s forget the husband who has only been charged, NOT CONVICTED.  How does the wife or mother or children live with everyone knowing our pain and humiliation? 

I understand that families are upset by what we print in the paper and online. Our only hope is that we can provide accurate information that will hopefully keep rumors at bay. We also strive to report when people are found not guilty the same way we report things when they’re arrested.

But our system isn’t perfect. And so folks know, many of us do think of the families – but our readers expect us to report news. It’s what we’re paid to produce.

  

The last word about online comments? I seriously doubt it

February 15th, 2008, 6:57 am by madisontaylor

In the shocking development department I got a call the other day from Cary Allred.


I know, I know — time to stop the presses, break into “Oprah” with a TV bulletin, alert Anderson Cooper or post a BREAKING NEWS alert online.
Well, maybe not.

Yes, Allred calls Jay Ashley and I more regularly than Carolina beats Clemson in basketball. This time he wanted to talk about one of his favorite recent subjects: Our online comments that tail each story we run on www.TheTimesNews.com. Allred, a Republican representative in the state House, isn’t alone. Just look again at the wild blogging that persists on any of our online stories to get an idea of what’s written there by largely anonymous posters who go by names such as “Amazed,” “Justice” or my personal favorite “Jimmy Poopypants.” I hope to see future posts from Rita Poopypants, Ulysses Poopypants or Kahlid-Abdur Poopypants.


Thankfully the Poopypants family hasn’t seen fit to post on our latest bout of stories involving the travails of former used car dealer Kevin Brogden or joined the ranks of usual suspects weighing in for or against the sheriff. Just to say this one more time for folks who don’t bother to read the blogging rules: The Times-News DOES NOT eliminate comments. It is a self-policing forum. I would hope that posters would refrain from making potentially libelous comments about people who have not been charged with crimes but some seem to have little respect for others.

For the record, anonymous slingshot practioners don’t float my particular boat, but until the world changes back into a more civil place the rest of us are apparently stuck with it.

I just had to say it once more. The way it looks I’ll probably be doing so until my dying days. My final epitaph will likely be “Here lies Madison Taylor: He could not delete online comments.”


Anyway, Allred was rankled by some of the online posts on a story about Republican Celo Faucette who’s seeking the state House seat now occupied by Democrat Alice Bordsen. Now don’t get the wrong idea. Allred wasn’t browsing round online himself. The man hates the internet and blogs. He said his wife pointed them out. And so most know, the vast majority of posts were favorable to Faucette, a longtime figure on the local political scene. Allred simply doesn’t like the idea that people who won’t identify themselves take shots online at people who are in the public eye.

“I don’t like what they had to say about Alice either,” said Allred, a big-time critic of his fellow Alamance representative.

“Didn’t you think the comment by the person who wrote ‘i didn’t realize alice was back from italy already.’ was pretty funny?” I asked.

He paused a second and said, “Well, my wife did.”

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FYI gang

December 14th, 2007, 5:08 pm by madisontaylor

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Just a note to let folks out there know that our Web site is now undergoing a design shakeup that will (hopefully) make our features, stories, forums, and yes blogs, easier to find.
I’ll post more on our main page this weekend and there will be a story in Sunday’s Times-News. Keep watch for the new look sometime Monday — but I can’t promise when on Monday.
Not a secret mind you, I just have no idea when the work will be completed out in California.
Be patient with the look and make sure to take the survey that’ll be on the main page at that time.
Madison

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The Rumor Mill? It’s everywhere

December 13th, 2007, 7:54 am by madisontaylor

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“As a businessman I’m accused of all things,” Clay Shaw says to Jim Garrison in a scene from the Oliver Stone movie “JFK.”
That one line uttered by the incomparable actor Tommy Lee Jones, is perhaps the most honest statement in a nearly three-hour film built on conjecture, rumor and a web of dark conspiracies all wrapped around a singular historic event. That doesn’t mean Shaw/Jones actually said it to Garrison, the former district attorney of New Orleans Parish. I’m only stating that from experience, it’s an accurate assessment of how people perceive those who succeed in business — particularly those who do so without really inventing anything new.
They envy them. They wonder about them. They ask, “why not me?” And often they come to the conclusion that those who make a pile of money by wheeling and dealing have slipped between the raindrops to do so — that they arrived at this plateau by hook, crook or whatever nefarious means are at their disposals (with a heavy emphasis on the crook).

This seems particularly true in smaller places where people know each other a lot better, went to school together, maybe had a bad deal between them at one time or another. This isn’t always the case. Take Donald Trump, for instance. Does anybody really think he got where he is by outworking anybody. Course not.
The recent oddball stories that cropped up in Alamance County after the indictment of a used car dealer are fairly typical. Posters on our online stories have dropped the names of several prominent businessmen in connection to used car dealer Kevin Brogden, who is being arraigned in federal court this afternoon. So far they have been charged with no crimes. The investigation continues, according to federal authorities.
But the rumors became so persistent and at times outrageous (they escaped the country in a private jet!) that one asked that the Times-News publish a letter to the editor about the situation, even though the newspaper had not printed one story linking this individual to Brogden.
For reporters and editors this situation is troubling but in no way unprecedented. In every town I’ve worked in there have been suspicions about either business or political leaders. Whether they were true or not is impossible to determine. But folks believed it in their hearts and to them, that made it true.
At my last stop there was a former high school principal who made the investment of a lifetime (from a humble beginning it turned into a major restaurant chain). Guy amassed a fortune on the deal, left education in the dust and took to developing and political influence for a living. He gave to political candidates, got spots on boards and commissions and in the process became an object of awe, fear, loathing — take your pick. He was arrogant, too. When a reporter questioned him about some malfeasance on a civic board on which he sat his response was this, “My boat is bigger than your house.”
There were others in that town, too. The former longtime mayor was linked to a former general and conspiracy theorists tracked both back to an attorney and homebuilder. When the homebuilder was eventually cut out of the loop, he persisted in calling the newspaper to complain about the suddenly questionable practices of his former colleagues.

One of our desk editors noted that in a town he once worked in people questioned a real estate developer and furniture store owner. Another chimed in that in a different city … well you get the point.
Businessmen, it seems, are accused of all things. I have no idea if the rewards are worth it.

The rumor mill works three shifts …

December 10th, 2007, 12:32 pm by madisontaylor

Someone just sent this note via this blog but not in the correct format in which it could be posted. This message is regarding the stories surrounding the indictment of a used car dealer, the commentary posts from folks in the community about it and the response of a third party who is not charged with a crime but who has become a subject of often wild speculation. Many comments from posters are disappearing from this site, reappearing, then disapearing again.
Here’s what this poster is asking.

I don’t know why a local businessman would take the time the time to write a letter to the public addressing rumor and innuendo when the article published simply contained public record about an individual that was arrested 2 When rational well thought out points in opposition to those who support the individual are posted they are systematically removed ,why. The Times News as a matter of course publishes arrest records everyday. I think your staff has been educated and fully understands the legal pitfall you would encounter were you to publish gossip or innuendo. I know that the Times News is not responsible for these comment removals, so that leaves me at this point : who is responsible for the removal and why do you feel the need to censor other peoples’ comments I eagarly await your response to my query. Please read my comments and addrees them in the narrow context in which they wer asked.


I for one have no clear answer but I could make a guess about the deleted comments. As I stated earlier, the Times-News is not removing comments on any news stories. That said, many of the comments I’ve seen before they vanish make some dangerous accusations considering that no charges have been filed against anyone other than those affiliated with Brogden Cars. As far as reporting in the Times-News goes, we absolutely must wait for any investigation to run its course and charges filed before running such accusations.

It’s my hope that the message boards would not be used for personal attacks and unsubstantiated rumors. When all the facts are in then all is fair game for commentary. I’d ask readers to keep their comments to the facts as reported.


One note about our site, however, I did remove the letter from David Morton because comments there were way out of bounds and I became uncomfortable with the potential for libel that this newspaper might face. The letter is still printed on this blog as it was on Thursday of last week. Readers can post comments here but they do not appear without approval by myself. NOTE: To find the letter on this blog readers must now go to the next page.

I want readers to enjoy our Web site and message boards in the spirit of a good ol’ town hall debate. But when it comes to criminal accusations against those who have not been charged, well, more facts, and less speculation should be heeded.

The Rumor Mill Part II

December 6th, 2007, 2:28 pm by madisontaylor

The message boards that accompany our stories on this Web site are not managed by the Times-News or any staff member of the Times-News. We do not delete comments made by any posters. For legal reasons related to libel these comments sections were set up by our parent company to be policed by users only.
As a result, there is a system for deleting comments that Web users and posters themselves can use. The rules are there on every local story.
Today on stories regarding the indictment of Kevin Brogden on money-laundering charges the names of other people in this community surfaced on some posts. I suspect some comments about these people, who have not been charged, are being deleted by these people and their friends.
This is an e-mail we received from an angry poster regarding the disappearing comments.

If you are going to delete all the controversial post, why have the comments section? If the flagging is an auto process, you can rest assured that supporters of this or that person/cause will make sure that certain post never see much time.
If it is manual, then The Times News should get out of the news business.

The writer then repeated his post. The poster went on to say in an additional note that his information comes from a reliable source but he tagged it as a rumor. He then added this for us at the Times-News.

However, if you are so scared of someone being offended, I suppose that is your right. However, that makes you, The Times News, part of the problem.

Like I said before, we do not edit the message boards and encourage all people to use and enjoy them. That said, any concern we might have is not whether someone is offended. We offend people in one way or another every day. Our concern is whether information is accurate or fair — does it rise to the level of libel? Wild allegations can be harmful in too many ways to count. It’s our hope that people who post on our boards will act responsibly.

I also just received this note from someone commenting on my previous blog post of a note from area businessman David Morton.

I think you’ll be surprised to have to apologize for allowing him to print this letter.

Whatever the outcome of this case a letter about an ongoing issue is fair game and worth printing. From here on out, no matter what happens, it’ll be part of the record about this story.

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